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Servicing changers....

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We have folks here on this forum who are well-versed in servicing changers. This comment will be from the prospective of someone who has not CORRECTLY serviced a single changer in the past. Someone who was so adamantly opposed to even considering getting involved in servicing changers. Someone who, as recently as a six months ago, would have suggested you change your mental health medication for suggesting he get involved in servicing record changers. Record changers, guitar amps, and two-cycle engines were on the list of things I never messed with, ever. ;)

A member here on the forum made a comment to the effect that why would a guy who could take a Buick apart to the last nut and bolt, then put it back together again and make it work, why would that guy be afraid of a record changer?

I don't understand 100% how such a Rube Goldberg contraption works, and works dependably. So there is that. I don't know the names of the individual parts, so I still call them "thingies" or "doodads" which, I reckon when you are learning would be acceptable. Repairing changers and restoring cars have a lot in common. The part you don't touch when you work on it the first time will be the first part that fails in service. It comes apart opposite of the way the factory put it together, it goes back together opposite of how you took it apart. Trying to alter that sequence will not work out very well. More is not always better, sometimes less is actually more.

I took a VM 1245 apart three times today because I figured I was the exception to the rule. That surely the rules would apply to others, but not to me. I learned that if you leave the "on-off-rej" knob in "on" you don't stand as great a chance of jamming up the reject lever. That you check all the controls to make sure they move before you stick the changer back into the cabinet. And that you try all three record sizes. I know, I know. The "book" says that if it will drop a 10" record and properly index the tone arm to said 10" record, the other two sizes will be right as well. Not always. If you get lazy and don't clean the 10" and 12" lever thingie doodads, the 10" records may change, the other two sizes won't. I learned this the THIRD time I took the changer back out of the cabinet, turned it over and took it apart AGAIN, to clean those two levers.

I share this with the hope that if there is someone reading this who might be leary of getting into a record changer that they will give it a shot. If you have any mechanical aptitude at all, you can do it. Just sit and look at how it's put together and "get to know it" for a time. Take a part off, then examine what is under it, how it fits. Then keep doing that until there are no more parts left to remove. Then clean everything up, give it a touch of lube as appropriate, then put it all back together. If you put it back together right, it will work. If not, go over your work. For me, the manual was useless. Just a bunch of parts in an exploded view. When something didn't work, what the manual said was never what the problem with my changer was. I had to figure it out for myself. It was fun. I thoroughly enjoyed it, even when the project went south a couple times. Making mistakes is how you learn.
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More changer fun..... ;) :oops: :cry: :roll:

I got everything working pretty well after I "fixed" this changer. 12" records dropped okay, 10" records dropped okay, 7" records would drop okay. Sometimes. Sometimes the record would drop, then the tone arm set down at the 10" position. Sometimes the record would not drop, but the tone arm would set down at the 7" position. I swear it worked fine until I messed with it. I made notes and took pictures so I would have a reference point. There is a metal strip under the edge of the 11" platter that has to do with the 10" position. It originally had dried grease on it, so, like a good doobie, I removed the old grease then applied a thin layer of grease. When I found the formerly-dependable 7" position now wonky, I decided it had to be something I did. I removed the grease I put on the strip which, of course, restored the 7" setdown to its correct position and now the records drop like they should. Lesson learned.
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Post: # 21576Post William »

Welcome to the world of VM changers. Does the manual help, yes it does, but it is not the final word. Sometimes things get out of place as one puts it back together and you do not realize it until it is back together and not working correctly. Sometimes we get carried away with lube either using too much or putting it where it does not belong. Like Greg stated, before taking it apart study it, see what hooks to what, look at the manual and see what they call things, this really helps you understand what role the different parts play in the function of the changer. As you remove parts identify them and see what they were hooked to and what the assembled unit does as a whole. Take clear photos with each part you remove and lay them out in the order you removed them. Remember, it's baby steps for the first few times you tackle a changer, but after a while you will get the hang of it, and it will become second nature. If I can do it, and Greg can do it, then so can you.

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I said the manual was worthless. That might have been a SLIGHT overdramatization. The exploded parts view is worthless. The text explaining how it works is dry reading. I believe I learned more, other than parts descriptions, by looking at it for awhile, figuring out in my own head how it was put together. The troubleshooting section would get you on the right track, subject to interpretation and inspection of what you have at hand. My problem with approaching the issue of working with changers is I was too busy feeling sorry for myself to concentrate and just figure it out. I had taken a changer apart and "ruined" it, so I told myself "never again". I still have that changer, kept it for parts. I may see if I can figure out what I did wrong, years ago, then fix it. ;) ;)
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As a youth, I wasted a year and a half trying to restore function to an RCA 45 changer. That got me sworn off such mechanisms.
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I have a little RCA 45 changer that I may get brave enough to tackle one of these days. I need to get ahold of a set of Bristol wrenches in order to get it apart. I still have a million questions when it comes to changer servicing. I'm not afraid of VM changers anymore, so maybe that's progress. Collaro I still have a lot of respect for. Fortunately the late Chris Cuff still has some excellent videos on changer servicing on YouTube. Jordan Pier occasionally has a good video. In my case, nearly every changer I owned needed work to make it dependable. I'm making progress, but I am by no means done yet. Changer parts are spendy. I figure $100 minimum parts cost for each changer. I have dead cartridges, bad needles, weak tone arm tension springs, missing washers, missing Jesus clips, missing O-rings that hold the platter on, it never ends if you want to do a part by part restoration as I am wont to do. I'm not lucky enough to get by only doing half the job.
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